Any other Democratic nominee would have won that election, and thus she should reflect on her colossal failure and ego trip for the rest of her life. She's responsible for Trump and it amazes me that any liberal can still defend her after what she has effectively unleashed thanks to her hubris and narcissism.

It's called gravitas. Trump is one of the biggest braggart nacasists in history.

What is your point?

I'm blaming Hillary in part for Trump. She should have seen the bigger picture and stepped aside for a better candidate in order to defeat him.

Like who?

Bernie, Biden, anyone else but her.

Yeah I guess Biden should have run. Trump really went to the gutter with Bills accusers. Dems were stupid for wanting trump to be the GOP nom.

They didn't just want Trump, the Clinton campaign actively helped him get the nomination: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/796222841612042240

Still, it could actually have been worse. People seem to forget that we could have ended up with President Ted Cruz.

I think she would have beat Cruz. He's such a slimy creep, I can't imagine him getting elected. He has an almost insect like vibe about him, it's very odd.

It's possible, but everyone was saying that Hillary would easily beat Trump, so who knows what to think.

Then again, Cruz, bring more of a traditional conservative than Trump, may have had a harder time winning over the key rustbelt states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin that cost Hillary the election.

Whatever else one says about Trump, one has to concede, he campaigned smart. He may indeed be hoodwinking the very people whose votes he courted, but he did and said what he needed to in order to win.

Cruz isn't natural born so couldn't serve if elected. Not that it matters Hillary would have defeated Cruz easily.

Maybe the guy she worked with the DNC to rig the primary against?

She should have seen the bigger picture and stepped aside for a better candidate in order to defeat him.

But by all accounts (MSM, polls, talking heads etc.) it looked like she was going to beat Trump easily. So her thinking she was going to win why would she drop out?

That's...not what gravitas is...

Agreed.

I think you got your revenge. And the world's biggest a$$hole is going to be in charge of your country. He paid no taxes for 18 years, but hey, he was just following the rules. Five bankruptcies, including one in Toronto a month ago, but hey he knows more than the generals. He Tweets at 4:00 am about nuclear weapons but hey, he knows everything about weapons because he is the smartest person he knows.

So good on all you guys for believing all his bullshít. Crooked Hillary, you say? She has nothing on Trump. He will end you guys. America is a joke and Americans are the laughing stock of the world. Clinton is in no way responsible for Donald Trump my friend but the American people are. Don't try to double-think your way out of that. You collectively voted for that schmuck, so don't try to blame Clinton.

Sad little Canadian.

America is a joke and Americans are the laughing stock of the world.

Whoever is laughing now better watches out. That joke comes not only at America's expense, but at the expense of the whole world. I think it's a nervous, histrionic laughter.

Nobody is laughing now it's a standing ovation Trump hasn't done a single thing.

I agree that nobody is laughing. Nonetheless, the standing ovation is in your head. The rest are nervous, cautious and frightened.

Explain how so as people like Russia & China has become more friendly with us without trump lifting a finger, immingne the great things he can do when he has power.

Where do you get your news from? And why with you? You are an Aussie.

Definitely not the MSM that's for sure.

As for why I don't particularly like being killed by an Islamic terrorist because people chose to ignore the facts, or have someone like Hillary wanting to stat WW3 with Russia because she has anger issues.

Whatever.

Have not seen any evidence that Hillary wanted or was going to to start war with Russia. Why are you so sure it was going to happen?

Trump hasn't done a single thing.

Trump made antagonistic tweets at China over a situation that had already been resolved, which he didn't know about because he ignores his intelligence briefings. You really think he's going to get better once he's in office?

Oh no, he made a tweet I didn't like!

You're missing my point.

I hate Trump, but you can't blame the guy for doing what he set out to do, which was win the election. You have to blame the people that, sadly, failed to stop him.

And I never used the term Crooked Hillary. She's no more crooked than Trump, but she was unfortunately a much poorer campaigner than him, and the wrong candidate to take him on.

Stop licking your wounds and wise up. We need to move forward. Whining about what could and should have been will not win us Congress in 2018, or the Presidency in 2020.

And stop calling people losers. It's that type of smug, elitist contempt that hurt the DNC this election cycle. Only by being more generously spirited will we win again.

Hillary would easily win as head of the mafia I would vote for that.

Trump is totally cuckoo. He makes Jack Nicholson in "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest" look like a genius. You made him the most dangerous man in the world. You did that. Not Clinton. You. All the protests in the world will not protect you from your madman leader.

So stop blaming Clinton for your bad choices.

What will you say in eight years when the country is better than ever? You will have to listen to CNN to repeat a lie about something he did since libs focus on one problem and ignore the 1000 good things

You haven't a clue.

Firstly, I'm not American. I didn't vote.

Secondly, I rigorously encouraged people to vote Hillary, and from what I've been told, the people I spoke to, did. Maybe if I had a bigger platform I'd have been able to convince more people to do so. Clearly my powers of persuasion are far greater than the candidate I endorsed.

Thirdly, Merry Christmas or if you prefer Happy Holidays. Chill out and have a good day.

Sorry if I offended you Harvey but loathing Clinton is a bit silly now.
She fought with everything she had to block tRump and she failed.
He lied and bullied his way to the White House.

The only saving grace, if it is none, is that Melania will not move in with him.
We can speculate endlessly, but I think it is because she is done with Donald.
She knows him, and she heard exactly what he said to Billy Bush on the bus.
There is no way she will let him screw her again.

So he will screw America instead.

She sure lied and bullied Bernie out of the WH. But whatever you want to spin. And nobody is going speculate endlessly about Trump's sex life. Not everyone is creepy like that. Normals don't care.

Unfortunately, I also blame the GOP, and the media. The GOP practically gave the keys to Trump and pandered to his crap, I would've liked it if a responsible candidate like Rand Paul was the GOP nominee, but no, they had to go with the sideshow. I also wished the media would've stop covering Trump in the first place, because of them he had wall to wall coverage 24/7.

She's responsible for Trump

Rampant far-leftwing policies are responsible for Trump's election. No far-leftwing candidate would've won against Trump.

Sanders had a pretty decent shot. People found him more trustworthy than Trump anyway.

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I'm sure this is an inaccurate statement.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/17/poll-hillary-clinton-least-honest-and-trustworthy-of-all-presidential-candidates/

This poll is from Feb, but it shows Sanders as being perceived as the most trustworthy candidate with Clinton being the least trusted.

I quit paying attention to any poll other than the one on election day. Trump got too many votes from conservatives to suggest to me that Sanders would've stood a chance against him. I think Sanders would've gotten far fewer votes than Hillary did.

Well, I don't know, I wanted Trump to win and even I think Sanders is less likely to lie than him.

I disagree. Bernie would've smoked him. Hillary is a flawed candidate with a lot of baggage rife with corruption (Clinton foundation, emails, accepting $$$ from middle eastern countries like Qatar and Saudi Arabia, giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs). Bernie also had a much higher approval rating than Trump (and Clinton). The American people saw through Hilary's bull shit.

Now you agree with me!

There was no left-wing politics in this election. Instead we had a conservative up against a fascist.

If Hillary is so 'left-wing' as her friends in the media claim, why did all the Wall Street bankers, CEOs, and rich folk in California and NY back her? It isn't in the interests of such plutocrats to back a left-wing candidate. A truly left-wing candidate would have been anathema to their interests.

I see often how distressed you are, particularly with the state of American politics and liberalism, but I just want to wish you a Merry Christmas. Obviously, I'm not sure if you are into such a holiday but I want to let you know you have my best wishes for your well being.

The wikileaks dumps didn't start until well after she had secured the nom.

Hate Hillary all you want. IDGAF

Oh we hate her, count on it. Madonna is a prick who thinks anyone against a piece of filth like that means ALL women and so already there's this massive lie being accepted. Bitch please. And stop shooting the messenger!

I was replying to the OP, not you.

We all know that you have this obsessive hatred towards Hillary. So kindly speak up when you're asked, mmmmm'k? Thanks.

Hillary wasn't a true liberal, and she let down true liberals, like me, who didn't want either her or worse, Trump. The only reason we ever backed Hillary was that we bought into the media nonsense that she could and would best Trump, but she couldn't even do that and for that she should hold her head in shame for the rest of her days.

The only good thing to come out of this election, is the death of neoliberalism. Now the left has to go back to embracing traditional leftwing values and socioeconomic justice, or otherwise face oblivion.

we bought into the media nonsense that she could and would best Trump, but she couldn't even do that and for that she should hold her head in shame for the rest of her days.

That's about the size of it . . .

We all know you have this obsessive hatred towards Donald. The thing is he never did anything to you. I have personally been affected because of that pos Clinton. Kindly do not tell others who they can and cannot reply to. This is a public forum after all.

Irrational loathing in my view. Let's not forget Comey and hacking pushed Trump over the line. Without that no potus Dump.

She's responsible for Trump

Actually... Obama is responsible for Trump. Particularly his second run from 2013 - 2017. Hillary being the person to "carry on" Obama's legacy certainly did not help, specifically because she did not claim how she would do things differently, but carry on with the same trend that caused the mess.

That said, Hillary was a terrible choice and she never should have been on the ballot. When the DNC chose Obama over her in 2008, that should have been the message.

They wanted to push the feminist angle though, thinking that was enough to win the election.

It was very patronising to think women would simply vote Clinton on account of her gender. True feminism is about women having choices.

That said, irrespective of Clinton I don't see how anyone could choose a candidate as misogynist as Trump. Clinton may have been a fraud as far as feminism goes, but Trump genuinely seems to hate women.

I agree 100%.

History will not look kindly on Hillary Rodham Clinton, if anything goes off the rails in upcoming years.