They're both anti-Jew totalitarian ideologies that were/are driving Germany into the ground. If Nazism is unconstitutional according to German law surely they can make a legitimate argument for the religion of peace.

I guess it took a world war, 60 million dead, and total destruction, the country divided into two, even, for them to figure that Nazism had not worked out.

I guess catching a clue on Islam is not going to be any more quick or painless.

I guess catching a clue on Islam is not going to be any more quick or painless.

Yep. A few more years of letting in millions of Moslem invaders and I suspect civil war will be brewing in Germany.

That may be the dumbest analogy in the history of the world.

Congratulations.

something about freedom of religion.

Define religion.

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Islam would fall under this definition.

Nazism is an ideology.

Nazism does all that, just without the superhuman creator. Is that a necessary part of religion?

the nature and purpose of the universe?

I'm not saying that Nazism cannot be seen as a religion. I'm saying that it is not usually defined as one. How Germany defines religion is up to them.

Just to show you I'm not dodging:

Is that a necessary part of religion?

No. Buddhism, for example is an atheistic religion.

At this point, I would note that there are many scholars who would specify that a religion must offer some form of "redemption of sins." Buddhism does. Nazism does not.

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You don't know much about Nazism, do you? You just think it was a bunch of ogres who rolled out of bed one day and decided they hated these people and those people and then started a war to kill them?

Well, that's partly true, but its also true that they believed that all life was part of a struggle for survival that could never end as long as life existed. This struggle explained everything, from the evolution of life to wars among nations, to economics, to political conflicts.

To be honest, Nazism is closer to a religion than any political ideology Ive ever heard of, except for Islam.

and believing a cause to be divinely inspired doesn't make it a religion in and of itself.

Wrapping yourself in the cloak of religion doesn't make you truly religious.

Nazism was not even an ideology. A systematic elucidation of its ideas would be impossible, because it was inconsistent over time, and full of hopeless contradictions at any one time. Its bible was Mein Kampf, which is simply a long, disordered rant.

Are the Bible and Koran contradiction free and perfectly consistent?

Of course they aren't, one minute Mohammed is telling his followers to respect the people of the book, next he is beheading Jews.

The inconsistencies only builds too with all the Hadiths thrown on top.

Germany does not grant tax exempt status to scientology so why cant it do the same for Islam?

so if we re-labelled Nazism a 'religion', then it would be protected?

I think they may have banned other religions, going back some time, but still in the modern era...I think Germany may have sanctioned Jehovas Witnesses and Scientology..

Now I congratulate them on coming down on that latter in particular, but seems, restrictions on religion are ok so long as that suits the political Kommissars..

Betcha some guy showed up in a white gown with white pointy hood at immigration in Frankfurt they would totally break his balls.

But some ahole in a white gown and Hajj skullcap, far far more toxic than the KKK, they roll out the fkn red carpet.

of a religion per se.

I'm not sure of Germany's reaction to the JW's or Scientologists, so I can't speak on that.

The pointy hood guys are not a religion so, again....

The pointy hood guys are not a religion so, again....

be easy enough for them to found and brand their own Protestant sect.

what then?

I looked it up.

Germany considers Scientology a business rather than a religion and JW's have not been granted status as their beliefs would be counter to German law.

Even Islam does not (I believe) hold Public Law Corporation status in Germany as most of the other main religions do.

Germany considers Scientology a business rather than a religion and JW's have not been granted status as their beliefs would be counter to German law.

How can a -belief-- be counter to the law, in a land where you have religious freedom??

How can any religious --idea-- be illegal?

So obviously, right here, we have exposed an even bigger case of hypocrisy and contradiction in logic, even , than I suspected might exist there.

They cannot have it both ways...if a JWs ideas can be illegal, then an Islamic idea could very much be illegal.

Sounds like there is absolutely no obstacle to banning the Muzz in Germany at all..only thing standing in the way are the Kommissars and their personal fking BS ideology.

How can a -belief-- be counter to the law, in a land where you have religious freedom??

That's actually a pretty good question.

You'd think quite a few religions in the US would have been slapped around by the Govt by now simply because of the unequal treatment of individuals that they espouse and practice.

If you take the large view of religion, I suppose you could include ideologies such as the worship of money or Capitalism, which is a system where the denigration of women is just a part of the deal.

So you think capitalism is oppressive of women?

I suppose you could include ideologies such as the worship of money or Capitalism, which is a system where the denigration of women is just a part of the deal.

Can you give an example, under capitalism, where it's perfectly legal to treat women unfairly?

And before you mention porn or prostitution, remember that women command a much higher price for their services than their male counterparts.

The UN slapped Germany around on this very issue and imposed hefty fines.

so if we re-labelled Nazism a 'religion', then it would be protected?

There was a belief that Hitler had been brought to power, and his life preserved in WWI, by some sort of unknown supernatural force. Hitler himself told stories about how in the first world war he heard voice telling him "Go over there", and after he would do so, shells would explode in the place he had just been standing.

However, the originators never called what we call Nazism a religion. It was a political party. And I don't think any modern, enlightened nation should ban political parties or religions...prosecute illegal activities, yes...but not out right ban.

Do the originators have to call it a religion for it to be a religion? I bet Jesus and Mohammed didn't call their ideologies a religion, to the it was simply truth, just how it was.

Yes, in the modern sense, they have to declare it as such...especially in the US to get their tax free status.

You don't have to have tax free status in order to be a religion.

Which could be done away with in the case of Islam just as the right to be a Nazi was done away with.

Can Germany ban Christianity?

Why would they want to?

but the symbols of Nazism are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

GerrieLand is currently UNDER NAZISM, you dimwit.

Just go stand in a corner and start saying shit The Gerrie GubMent dissaproves of, see how long you last.

To be precise, Did you know that founders of Ba'athism and the PFLP, a co-founder to Fatah, where both Christian?

Naturally Germany cannot unfound its own religion.

Naziism does seem more aligned to Buddhism and Hinduism, no?

Nazism does seem more aligned to Buddhism and Hinduism, no?

Hatred of Jews, hatred of modernity, belief in traditional gender roles for women, wanting to restore past empires, hatred of perceived sexual deviancy like homosexuality, distrust of science except in the pursuit of weaponry, leader worship, willing to use force against civilians to achieve political aims...

Now tell me if I'm talking about the Nazis or ISIS.

How do these points say that Naziism was not inspired by Eastern Religion?

Islam teaches that all people - male and female - ought to be educated to the maximum, although it does not account for the psychological consequences.

It denounces socalled "leader worship" which unfortunately is often seen in Democracies, but not all. In fact, I have heard Muslims say that Scandinavian style Socialism is the closest thing to their ideals.

As for going into the whole War Crimes Issue. You can just read the Koran and see that any destruction of civilian infrastructure is strictly forbidden.

As for the disagreement with the Jews, is Christendom and Islam really not just adding chapters to the Jewish religion? But none of these beliefs have, to my mind, been able to disprove Gnosticism.

Explain the "Science" behind The Holy Hebes' love of torturing and mutilating male babies.