It seems pretty bloody obvious, Europe cannot continue with 1,000,000 Muslim migrants plus per year entering Germany, Sweden, France, the U.K. and a few other countries. It puts a huge strain on the infrastructure of the poorer transit nations and the richer host nations will eventually not be able to cope with the influx of Migrants.

So it HAS to stop, but if the bureaucrats in Brussles now shïtting themselves in fear of Islamic terrorism made possible by their "ever closer integration" and the soft leaders of the EU nations will not put an end to it, the people will elect leaders who will. It's that simple.

The question is, for the love of God has Europe learned nothing from its history, that it must yet again let things get so bad that the far right rise to power....deja vu anybody?

I wouldn't bet on that.

I have a feeling political correctness and "compassion" and "openness" and "solidarity"...aka treason....will continue to prevail.

Europeans have been indoctrinated far too well.

I'd go one step more and say if this continues we will see war in Western Europe for the first time since 1945.

Then so be it.

War weeds out the useful idiots from the smart people.

Between who?

The left in Europe is encouraging the rise of the far-right by dismissing anyone with legitimate concerns about immigration as a bigot. If the political mainstream refuses to listen to the concerns of the electorate, they will push the people to the margins in ever greater numbers.

We never learn anything. Ever.

I'm not just talking about Europe, I mean humans. We keep on making the same stupid, selfish, short-sighted choices over and over again, and than act bewildered and outraged that we get the same results.

The USA is in the same boat. It's a dilemma. The only way things will change at this point is to burn it all down and start again. Revolution.

The rub being that the aforementioned stupidity, short-sightedness, and refusal to learn from the past will prevent anything meaningful from coming out of the upheaval.

I share your optimism.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-election-results-national-front-national-marine-le-pen-exit-poll-a6771876.html

France’s far-right National Front has failed to win a single region in Sunday's elections, forcing leader Marine Le Pen to abandon her bid to become president in 2017.

And that's weeks after the Paris attacks.

UKIP have one MP (a Tory defector), Pegida can't even win 10% of the vote in a local election in their stronghold, Spain's gone socialist, and centrists are in power everywhere else in Europe:

https://news.vice.com/article/germanys-anti-islam-pegida-movement-surpasses-predictions-in-local-polls

I agree, however Pete Townsend put it more succinctly in "Won't get fooled again"...met the new boss, same as the old boss.

Right now there is no real turn to the right. It hasn't affected enough people yet. Marine Le Pen never got the big win, Farage didn't go anywhere. You see it on the news, but not in the streets...yet.

However, 1 million Muslim migrants in 2015, and there is no slow down, it's simple Maths, at some point the people will start to feel the change themselves, and at that point some far right fire brand who would be ignored normally will now get centre stage. In the US it's happening with Trump, but he is too soon, he won't win, but he is an image of things to come.

Just like how Trump will rise to power here with the out of control immigration situation we have in America!

It's TRAGIC! White nations are FOOLS to let in so many Mexicans and Muslims!

Playing the devil's advocate - like those who think it is a matter of no high concern that global warming will destroy human civilisation as we know it - what do youn think is the main reason socalled Western Civilisation ought to perservere or survive?

I mean what does it have to offer now to humanity besides bureaucratic infighting in hostile architectures? Ever new and more creative ways to rain death from above in ever more expensive and frankly absurd airplane schemes? Increasing survaillance that makes East German Stasi intelligence look like a kindergarden?

I don't get why he thinks so, if he is a conservative.

Meanwhile, is it not so that the division between Western and Eastern is entirely artificial? A product of Orientalism. I would think that since Muslims pay such high regard to the medical and nursing professions that this is exactly what people would need if he says that Western society is not reproducing at a sufficient rate.

maybe...

a week after Paris 130DOA...the trendies there were telling people in a chatroom that France does not have an Islam or terrorism problem...it has a 'sociology" problem.

How can they face fking reality?

their smug asses would have to admit they were wr-wr-wr-wrrr-wrongggg.

No, but he does not necessarily mean 'civil war " as in, vs each other.

I take it as meaning that those communities as they swell, are going to create Beiruts all over Europe like acne...I am confidant that this is coming.

Every time the cops go into muslim suburbs of Paris or in Sweden or Denmark, to arrest one of them, it turns into a fking Mogadishu for a week..

Who would imagine it not getting worse, on the same theme ?

I honestly do not care if some of Western Europe falls into the clutches of Islam

i do.

Such physical beauty should not fall to the Horde.

and the people who are not brain-washed fucking automatons from Orwell, should not have to pay the price for the folly of those who are.

They are brothers and cousins. Even the ones who do not speak fucking English.

I fee zero ties or connection to anything Europe
I enjoy their history and architect but nothing more

Yeah...to be honest no one gives a shït about the opinions of some two bit troll posing as an American

"I enjoy their history and architect..."

They only have one architect?

He must be busy.

And expensive.

Architects lol

I am American

I was born in Detroit

I was born in Detroit

Fucking niggers.

The "Far Right"?

Really?

Have EuroLibbieTards all of a sudden discovered the value of FREEDOM?

Every Democrat should be labelled an "Extreme Far Leftist".

"Nazi" as well.

Yeah. The weaker the economy, the stronger extremist voices get.

Right-wing fascist parties might slowly start taking over national governments if this keeps up.

So you basically agree with The Donald.

Trump is a clown and Midshipman lives in the middle of a flood plain so isn't entitled to an opinion.

The only thing that will stop immigrants will be the host country ending up as poor as the place they came from, which isn't very likely. However, should that happen, all that need be done is to take our long term unemployed down to Dover, point them vaguely in the direction of Syria/Romania wherever and tell them to start walking.

Actually I am not on a flood plain, lucky for me.

Anyway, immigrants can be stopped as Tony Abbott did it in Australia. It didn't take a far right government, just a message that when aplying for Asylumn in Australia, you will end up in Indonesia or some other such place. Japan as well does not have a problem, and the UN leaves them alone about thier, just say no policy.

I am fairly sure the centre has everything under control.

I can't recognize all the misgivings you speak of.

You were joking? Right?

1 million Muslims per year. How many years do you think it is sustainable?

If the biased media would just expose the Muslim criminality (such as the Muslim, grooming, drugging rape of 1400 British White girls, many under-age) and the governments would frigging prosecute these bastards, the Right will win many more votes and finally the eradication of the criminal elements of the Muslims can take place.

Host countries would be left with the law abiding Muslims. Integration would be easier as most natives will welcome law-abiding immigrants and hopefully with good further education the immigrants will contribute to the progress and productivity of the host country.

The Right wing elements would likely shift to a middling position when they've ended their usefulness. Leaving of course the Lefties to take c redit

No Origins, that's not something that will happen it's something you dearly want to happen. That's the difference.

1 million Muslims per year. How many years do you think it is sustainable?

In an EU of 500 million people (or an extended EU of 750 million)? Just in case mathematics isn't your strong point, that's an increase of 2% (or just 1.3% of geographical Europe).

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Fertility_statistics

EU fertility has been crashing for the last 50 years - in 2013, it was 1.3 and ABSOLUTELY EVERY MODEL OF CAPITALISM (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) dictates that a fertility rate of 2.1 is necessary to sustain the (impossible) constant growth upon which capitalism depends - whether that's low tax USA or big state Norway.

Unless anyone fancies switching over to communism or reverting to the Imperial/slave colony model, we need to create more taxpayers and consumers somehow, and (environmentally) it would probably be better to draw them from the existing 7.5 billion humans on Earth than forcing Aryans to breed at gunpoint.

Doesn't have to be Muslims, doesn't have to be brown people, and we can probably agree that if they don't want to adopt Western ideas of liberalism, secularism, democracy, and tolerance, they can fuck off back to the Mad Max Bartertown dirt pile or Tomainian second world panopticon society they were so desperate to get out of in the first place.

Maths is not your strong point, I remember your attempt at percentages

What is the security cost of policing 1000,000 Muslim immigrants per year, or do we accept events like Paris as the cost of doing "the right thing". What is the cost to society of one million per year who do not hold our values or respect them? What is the cost of housing them, the healthcare?

If we want more tax payers, we can either make more ourselves, or import them from countries that have common values. The Chinese for example have plenty of people, and they understand Capitalism.

Any Muslims in your area....didn't think so.

What is the cost to society of one million per year who do not hold our values or respect them?

How many immigrants (Muslim or otherwise) "do not hold our values or respect them?"

Is the percentage of them whose values lead them into (violent or sexual) criminal behaviour any greater than the native Britons who you surely accept "do not hold our values or respect them?"

Obviously yes, given the number of Muslim rape gangs compared to their percentage of the population. Are you going to suggest that Muslims are not over represented in this criminal category?

I am not saying that every one of that one million will never assimilate or respect western values, but a sizable percentage will not. Lets compare Muslim immigration in the UK to Polish immigration, another very large immigrant group. I have not seen the Polish significantly over represented in any specific criminal category's. (I know you will Google it, so lets see what you come up with). The Police are certainly not arresting Polish immigrants or their 2nd generation offspring at a rate of 4 - 5 per week on terrorism related offences. Neither is any other immigrant group.

I just benefited from Muslim immigration myself today. I decided to get a take away, and in a rural town, on a Sunday evening, there is very little choice if it was just down to the locals. However some South Asians (Probably Muslim, but I didn't actually ask them) bought the burnt out old Chinese place and it is now a chicken shop. The food was very good (certainly better than the crap I would get at the Chippy staffed by locals) and at a very reasonable price....That does not change the fact that one million Muslims per year is blatantly unsustainable, and there will be a cost paid to society in the EU for even trying to.

given the number of Muslim rape gangs compared to their percentage of the population. Are you going to suggest that Muslims are not over represented in this criminal category?

1 in 5 women fall victim to sexual violence as adults. 1 in 3 women were abused as children. Those Muslim rape gangs get about, don't they:

http://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

a fertility rate of 2.1 is necessary to sustain the (impossible) constant growth upon which capitalism depends
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China's fertility rate is estimated at 1.5, yet its economy is not having any problems. Its population is also growing despite that.

Doesn't have to be Muslims, doesn't have to be brown people, and we can probably agree that if they don't want to adopt Western ideas of liberalism, secularism, democracy, and tolerance, they can fúck off back to the Mad Max Bartertown

That wont be what happens though, they will stay, demand accommodation of their culture, and be honest, guys like you will help them fight for that.

if they don't want to adopt Western ideas of liberalism, secularism, democracy, and tolerance, they can fúck off

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they will stay, demand accommodation of their culture, and be honest, guys like you will help them fight for that

You've cleverly understood that, despite my saying that's not the case, whatever is secretly going on inside your head is the true representation of objective reality (and the inner workings of others' minds).

How is it that I'm secretly working to undermine democracy, secularism. liberalism, and tolerance (unknown even to myself)?

Alright, so you would deport of people, even children of recent immigrants, for their views on things like Sharia law, women, homosexuals, and terrorism?

No, you wouldn't. So your threat to tell them to fuck off back where they came from is hollow, you will do it, but literally what you said, you will *tell them* and never act.

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I'm in favour of deporting anyone who doesn't sign up to secularism, democracy, liberalism, and toleration.

I'd deport any cúnt who ruins things for everyone else by demanding the whole country accommodates their deluded fantasies. I'd deport you.

If the biased media would just expose the Muslim criminality (such as the Muslim, grooming, drugging rape of 1400 British White girls, many under-age) and the governments would frigging prosecute these bastards, the Right will win many more votes and finally the eradication of the criminal elements of the Muslims can take place.

Host countries would be left with the law abiding Muslims. Integration would be easier as most natives will welcome law-abiding immigrants and hopefully with good further education the immigrants will contribute to the progress and productivity of the host country.

The Right wing elements would likely shift to a middling position when they've ended their usefulness. Leaving of course the Lefties to take c redit

Another POWERFUL ARTICLE

I quite agree, it was not a powerful "article", just an opinion on the very obvious fact that 1,000,000 Muslims per year is unsustainable. The Germans agree, which is why they are begging the Turks to stem the flow that they created.

Still, it was an opinion, which is more than you ever offer. What do you offer, other than to make unsubstantiated claims about yourself..."I invented the top ten list"..."I went to a prestigious university and got a Masters", I do look forward to what you will claim next, in lieu of actually forming an opinion and backing it up, which is clearly beyond you

The problem isn't in migration, it's in who's coming.

Europe does need immigrants- it's old and washed up. However, it needs immigrants who will fit within its nations, accept them, enrich them, learn the language and assimilate while leaving their trace on the country as well.

Unfortunately, most practicing Muslims can't do it by definition, because for them, loyalty comes only to Islam. Countries, States, all entities of this world are just passable, while Allah is eternal.

There's also another problem- Europeans are used to female and gay liberalization. They're kind of like Europe's, particularly northern Europe's invention. Muslims see those two as a sign the end of the world is near.

That is why you can't ever compare Polish people coming to England, or Italians and Irish and Mexican people moving to America with Muslim Arabs immigrating to Europe.

Of course, the first generation of immigrants will be grateful on a personal level to the people who saved their lives. But as unemployment and social exclusion keep piling up, the second generation will be fertile ground for all sorts of problems.

France is an excellent example of that, and now, entire Europe will be like France in the best case scenario.