Use your fucking brains, they're running from the horrors of their country, into the, atm, less than horrible state of the US. There have been hundreds of thousands refugees admited.

The 2006 Seattle Capitol Hill shooter was born in Whitefish, Montana.

The 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooter was a U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent.

The 2009 Arkansas recruiting office shooter was born in Tennessee.

The 2000 Food Hood shooter was born in Virginia to Palestinian parents.

The 2012 Wisconsin Sikh Temple shooter was born in Colorado.

The 2013 Boston Marathon bombers were born in Russia and Kyrgyzstan.

The 2013 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooter was born in North Carolina.

The 2014 Las Vegas shooters were both American.

The 2015 Charleston Church shooter was born in South Carolina.

The 2015 Chattanooga shooter was born in Kuwait.

The 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooter was born in South Carolina.

The 2015 San Bernardino shooters were born in Chicago and Pakistan.

The 2016 Orlando Nightclub shooter was born in New York City.

The 2016 Dallas police officer shooter was born in Mississippi.

The 2016 New York and New Jersey bomber was born in Afghanistan.

The 2017 Fort Lauderdale Airport shooter was born in New Jersey.

The danger of Islam is not in terrorism. It is in your average Muslims, who have anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-tolerance views that are extreme even when compared to extremist Christians.

And the fact that they multiply at a high rate. And many have no respect for non-Muslim women, and regard them as sluts who are asking for it. There is a big cultural conflict here. Islam itself only plays a part in the problem. And most of the Muslims here are fine. But I really don't think we should bring Muslim men, especially young men, into the country. Their views are toxic.

You're describing the average republican. Trump voters. LOL.

Except Trump voters typically don't harbor deep resentments against the West. Big difference in just that alone.

Timothy McVeigh is the type of republican that scares me as much as any Muslim terror nut.

There aren't many Timothy McVeighs. On the other hand, I can start quoting Pew Polls (aka non-partisan) that have overwhelming percentages of Muslims overseas claiming that government should follow sharia law, that women should always obey their husbands, etc. That's not just a few nuts here and there. That's over 80% of a country's population. And in the ME, those sorts of beliefs are the majority.

By that logic, you should fear your own kind:

-Orlando shooter
-Columbine shooters
-Boston Bomber
-Ft. Hood Shooter
-Virginia Tech Shooter
-The Dark Knight Rises Shooter
-Sandy Hook Shooter
-Congresswoman Gifford's Shooter
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Etc.

With the exception of the Columbine shooters (whose parents were libtards), all of the aforementioned losers were either registered democrats, were Obama lovers or supported democrapic policies/ideologies. Factor that in with areas containing the most violent crimes per capita voting blue and the fact that liberal leaders were paying its degenerate losers to assault its opponents on the other side AND how the radical left is rioting and assaulting any and everyone who doesn't support their views, I'd say the right is the least of your worries.

And it's funny hearing these libtards attempt to lecture me on Muslims when not a single one of them has ever left their white little bubble unless of course they were visiting another white liberal bubble, much less step foot in a Muslim country. I've spent the majority of my 20s living in Muslim countries and to hear these Liberals cry about how "tolerant, loving and peaceful" Muslims are is laughable and further proves how delusional and clueless they are... but anyone who lives in a white bubble usually is. They believe their first class reality reflects the reality of everyone else.

Where's the difference?

Refugees typically don't harbour deep resentments against the countries that take them in. Hell, Syrian refugees in the Fort MacMurray area pooled their meagre resources and fed, clothed, and housed the long-time residents during the wildfires there.

There is a big difference between U.S. settled refugees and European ones. Since many refugees in Europe are just migrants who were vetted poorly or not at all.

I'm not trying to be mean to refugees. My point is, Arab countries with Islamic theocratic tendencies should be treated with extreme skepticism, as should be their people. I don't know if you've seen the polls; I can link them in no time if you'd like. They're pretty troubling. And as I recall, even Muslims in European nations have reported extremist views.

The migrant scenario is another thing altogether. They're not vetted, plus there's the general chaos of it all. Which makes using that as a template for discussing vetted refugees rather inane. Not that I'm saying you're doing so, but such is something I'm tired of seeing. The oversimplifications help nothing. Rather, they make things worse.

Theocracies are indeed an issue, but that's part of why people have valid reason to flee them. I showed you one poll on Canadian Muslims, completely unlike what you're referencing, and I've lived through the history of our major Muslim groups fighting for equal marriage recognition for gays. Looking at specifics matters. That's why the 'Kanadamodellen' has been touted in Sweden and Germany as a solution. We're not free of issues, but we have considerably less than other countries and none of them come from refugees.

It's not hard to include addressing individual views in vetting and individual history is already part of the initial vetting before we even look at them. However, the us/them dynamic only helps extremists sell the idea that "they hate us all". It gives them exactly what they want.

Tellingly, the scenario in play for most countries has been ass-backwards. Those theocracies get a pass in most any respect while the people they abuse get lumped in with the extremists.

Consider the scenario as well. In Saudi Arabia and the like, your only acceptable route to power is through religion, so there's actually an incentive for powermongers to assemble a rabid flock. And yet, Western governments continue facilitating the Saudi government. Here in Canada, that we sell arms to the Saudis has been a flashpoint of national news.

Yes, I see you on the points you've made. There are still logistics, expenses, and population density to consider. What can they provide? I think I've discussed this subject before on here, though I'm not sure if you were the other.

I don't think a few thousand or a few tens of thousands of refugees would make any difference. But should they come under heightened scrutiny? Absolutely.

Well, of course. There are a thousand specifics. And all of them need to be taken into account. No one-size-fits-all approach can be thrown onto every country. As for scrutiny, definitely, but that's already in the mix in vetted refugee scenarios. I only take issue with the simplistic approaches, be they close the gates or throw them wide open.

I have family friends going back to the 70s who were Ugandan refugees fleeing Idi Amin (and yes, Muslim). I know the hells they went through (two of the kids were killed, for one example) and I've watched them build themselves up from nothing. As such, I take these conversations rather personally.

I don't think we've ever discussed this before, though we may have touched on some relevant points in a different discussion.

Yeah. I'm probably one of the few people on here who can actually be persuaded of anything.

I haven't had any exposure at all to refugees or even Muslims. My worries stem from Pew Polls and some of the events that have transpired in Europe. I have no dog in the race, other than wishing to maintain the values of liberty and freedom. Which is why I am opposed to Christian fundamentalists as well.

Hey, I understand the fears and want the restrictions in the vetting process. Some of the most in need in Syrian camps are the ones who've lost everything, including the proof of their history that demonstrates they aren't an issue. But I have no problem with those with a complete paper trail getting precedence even if that does mean that they clearly didn't suffer as much as those who lost everything.

I'm obviously for the values of liberty and freedom being maintained. I do however find that oversimplifications allow for those to be easily undermined. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.

Freedom and liberty require a constant conversation. And the more in-depth it is, the safer they are.

. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.

They do the same to me. They can't imagine that someone could have a nuanced view of something.

Not that I'm perfect. There are times when I'm intellectually lazy and can't be bothered to form a decent argument.

But anyway, :/ on a rare civil conversation on 4ct.

It's appreciated in this corner, anyway.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/house-democrat-falsely-claims-u-s-hasnt-faced-terrorist-attacks-refugees/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack

Uh, no. Thanks for playing.

So I need to email the mod to update the title to remove the "Not", so where are the others, one blip doesn't suggest a pattern. Nobody died, compared to my list this was barely a blip.

So it does exist so thanks for the admission your statement is false.

Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.

Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.

That justification could potentially be used to build the wall. Doesn't really apply to the refugees. The refugees usually start their own small businesses.

Looks like a lot of their offspring did though.

The evidence from Europe shows that is where the real danger lies.

I agree.....letting Prog-tards become the "moderates" in your country is like cutting your own throat.

Yep. Second generation Muslims are even more prone to radicalism. That's another good reason to stop bringing them in.

They don't get it. What can you do?

Refugees aren't in danger, most have been living outside of Syria for some time before being approved to come to the US.

Why can't 1.6 billion Muslims deal with their own brethren?

If using brains were in the mix, would this conversation even be happening?

Murphy's Law. Think about it.

Make sure to petition your city council to make sure a good number of them are placed in YOUR neighborhood.

ISIS specifically pointed out they were using lax border controls and refugee programs to insert sleeper cells.

Try again.

Source?

It was widely reported. Here is one of them:

The Syrian operative claimed more than 4,000 covert ISIS gunmen had been smuggled into western nations – hidden amongst innocent refugees.

The ISIS smuggler, who is in his thirties and is described as having a trimmed jet-black beard, revealed the ongoing clandestine operation is a complete success.

"Just wait," he smiled.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

Haha, 2015...

With Trump in office they don't need to BullShit anymore to scare the fuck out you, grow some balls. There are more people killed by obesity than terrorists, why don't you ban Ronald McD.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/CDC-Mortality-CHart.jpg

Yes, November 2015. It's surprising you hadn't heard of it. Well, actually, it's not. A lot of people don't pay attention.

That came out right around the time of the Paris attacks and before several other terrorist attacks. You, not even hearing of it in the first place, act like they're finished... Which in itself is quite ironic.

It doesn't matter where they're coming from. It's the vetting process and that is what Trump is working on.

completely and totally FALSE..only last night I saw a program where sa LIST of persons accepted with refugee status subsequently engaged in terrorist activities in the US.

Why don't you get your facts straight??

I saw a unicron once but I can't prove it.

And not a single rapfugee had committed terrorism in Europe until they did, then they ran people over, blew people up, stabbed, shot, and raped them.

You're as likely to commit those crimes yourself then. Being a Trump voter I'm sure you're not all there.

What were you saying about comments with no facts or actionable info?

The most common theme is Islam, and the majority of those who might come in from the 7 countries listed are Muslim. Keep in mind that anyone we might let in now will probably produce American Muslims.

How many countries have had mass murders from home-grown Muslims? France, Germany, Great Britain, Bali, Somalia, and several Arab and African nations. Oh yes, and the US.

There is no reason to increase our Muslim population.

My wife wisely said we should have shut down immigration from Muslim majority countries, and she said this in late 2001. She was right then and it's a good idea now. We don't need it.

The most common theme in these 7 countries is civil war, internal chaos, religious genocide, and exporting terrorism.

Yes, Islam.

Bali is not a country. lol. Where are the sources, I can pull shit out of my ass too. And Christians is somehow the beacon of morality? The US never committed genocide and other morally questionable acts?

The point is refugees are running away from those horrors.

You and your wive should be committed. I hope you two haven't procreated yet.

Being silly isn't an argument. What did I post that wasn't true? Are you unaware of all the Muslim violence in the news every day?

Muslims are murdering non-Muslims and each other all over the world in the name of their faith. No other faith is like that in the present day, where I live.

The US will not benefit from importing Muslims. I have no problem taking in other refugees.

There all kinds of violence committed every day irrespective of religion. Just turn to your local news. And without giving much away, link me to a news about Muslim violence in your proximity. Shouldn't be too hard right, because it happens "every day".

More people die every day from texting does that mean we should ban phones. As well as obesity, should we ban Ronald McD? Guns? LOL.

Please just stfu, you and your wive are racist xenophobes. Go take a walk outside your trailer park to somewhere less...rural, the world has changed.

99.9% of the violence committed in the name of religion is perpetrated by Muslims onto people of other religions.

You know, that's just watching my local news.

Why are you so angry and hysterically defending a religion that is so often associated with oppression of women, murder of homosexuals, rejection of democracy and forced conversion. Why aren't you against those things. I am.

What does my "proximity" have to do with anything? Muslim violence is in the news every single day. That religion is unique in that respect.

There is a phrase "bloody borders of Islam" for a reason. Wake up. Read my sig line.

Leftist philosophy and policies deny both human nature and reality

I'm not sure if you're talking about Islam or Christianity.

Are you hallucinating that Christian theocracies and terrorist groups are fighting bloody battles against "others" around the world today? 'Cause they ain't.

That you know of. Christians have money, and they can and have bought good PR, to get more money. Not unlike a high class whore.

Lets not forget that in recent memory every priest seems to be molesting a child. And then there are cults based on Christianity.

The Vatican itself is its own country. They could be sodomizing boys and burning witches in there.

Don't be a close minded racist. At least accept the fact that whatever you're into can be just as *beep* as anything else. Only then can you be a true racist like Trump.

So your confusion about Christianity and Islam was based in nothing but your own bigotry and prejudice. It's not a good way to live.

Right back atcha...

"Not a single refugee has committed terrorism in the US"

Um how could they have, if they have never entered the US? Talk about using your brain...

Are you stupid? There has been hundreds of thousands of refugee admitted to the US in the last 5y. And they are living as law abiding members of society.

Please jump off a bridge.

So what? They still bring crime and their backwards beliefs with them. If other countries want that, let them have it.

I'M AGAINST IT.

What crime are they bringing? I just gave you a list of factual information. Most of them were not Muslim. The common theme is they had a lot of hate, which Trump is perpetuating. You are proof of that.

You do realize Obama barely let any refugees in, right?

And we've seen the damage they've done in Europe.

Facts aren't on your side.

Not sure about that, but compare barely with nothing. Did Obama revoke Visas, Green cards in a broad swath?

What damage have THEY done?

I'm pretty sure facts, just like my *beep* list is on my side.

Where is yours ? ROFL!!!!

Another Trumptard OWNED!!

Stop generalizing. It was a few individuals who did harm to Europe. Individuals who pledged allegiance to ISIS. They would have gotten into Europe anyway, even if there was less or no refugee immigration.

You are technically correct. And I've never had my home robbed. But I still want police patrols and have invested in a security system and insurance, I want Islamic "refugees" thoroughly vetted...more so than they are now. We do see what is going on in other countries and I want to ensure it doesn't start happening here. I am prepared to give the President and the bureaucracy their 90 days to tighten up the system. Frankly, my family is more important to me than a refugee is and I resent the hell out of Liberals trying to put us in a vulnerable position.

That's why you're a racist. You don't think they've been vetted before they were flown to the airports?

Go back to the DMV and surrender your drivers license, by your logic obviously you will never be fit to drive.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html

Fuck off idiot

I dont want them here PERIOD

I want Islamic "refugees" thoroughly vetted...more so than they are now.

So you want them vetted just for kicks. You're even more of a racist now, you should make a t-shirt saying that and walk around with it. Don't be a closeted internet racist. With such strong racism is not good to keep all that inside. If you accept that reality maybe you'll have a chance to grow as a person.

And I have shown him and his wive the truth. I'm sure they'll be happier from now on.

You forgot the kid at Ohio State

Oh Yeah he was from Somalia via Pakistan

Only takes one

It took 34 children and a teacher to be shot with a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle to ban assault rifles, which expired in 2004. Idiots with guns exponentially kill more people in the US than any terrorist will and there hasn't been any new gun control laws passed since.

Another Trumptard loser owned. :3

But they were all Muslims, thats the common point.