Hate crime charges filed on Chicago kidnappers

2 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 01:13

Given what was in the video, it's hard to see how they couldn't be charged with that.

3 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 01:30

>>2
The Liberals and MSM believe that hate crimes laws can not be invoked if the victim is white. However the victim is also mentally challenged which is one of the protected groups they do recognize.

4 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 01:59

There was never any question that it was a hate crime.

The real question you should be asking is what is wrong with people these days
that they think they can commit a crime and then post it to Facebook or Youtube.

5 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:03

>>4
So what if it was? Hate is just an emotion/feeling. It shouldn't be illegal to have ANY emotion or feeling. By charging someone with a hate crime you're giving them additional punishment for how they felt or thought. It should only be illegal to act on emotions and feelings, it's the actions that are the problems and should be punished not the emotions or feeling behind them.

6 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:06

Hate is just an emotion/feeling. It shouldn't be illegal to have ANY emotion or feeling.

A hate crime is the result of someone acting on his/her emotion. Hate crime laws are not anti-emotion laws.

7 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:11

We already charge people for criminal actions. Adding the hate crime gives an additional or harsher punishment just because the crime was motivated by hate, so yes, it is very much an anti-emotion law.

8 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:13

It seems to me the issue is if the fullest extent of the law isn't enough for certain crimes already on the books then stiffer penalties need to be enacted. I'm not sure a whole new class of crime needs to be created.

9 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:15

Exactly

10 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:18

The Liberals and MSM believe that hate crimes laws can not be invoked if the victim is white.

No, they don't. You don't have the faintest clue what liberals believe.

11 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:25

You don't have the faintest clue what liberals believe. Educate us then. What is Liberalism?

12 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:29

Everywhere you go, you're always abusing that 'no true scotsman' card.

Try to be a bit more creative with your dodges and fallacies.

13 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:36

Personally, I think hate crime legislation is stupid.

14 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:43

>>13
I'm inclined to agree. But, since it seems unlikely that hate crime legislation is going to be done away with anytime soon It's nice to see that it is at least being applied evenly.

15 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:49

I agree with both of you.

16 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:52

This times a thousand.

It is enough to punish the act. Using motivation to determine guilt is one thing, making motivation in itself a crime is completely unreasonable.

17 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:56

The problem is that "motivation" cannot always be used to determine guilt.

There are all sorts of new problems like "social justice warriors"
infiltrating a Jury to throw a trial into contempt by only always
delivering an "innocent" verdict no matter what the circumstances
of the case or trial might be.

How exactly are the courts supposed to deal with that?

18 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 02:58

How exactly are the courts supposed to deal with that?

By thorough vetting. It's a new challenge which will be dealt with. Jurors can be removed and replaced.

19 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:09

>>17
first, I doubt that has ever happened. second, there is no such thing as an "innocent" verdict.

20 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:13

Personally, I think hate crime legislation is stupid.

Why? Just curious.

21 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:18

If a white person murders a white person, why should there be lesser sentencing than if the white person murdered a black person? It creates inherently imbalanced and arbitrary justice.

22 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:22

i always knew black people were racist as fuck.

23 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:26

I'm not sure where to stand per "hate" legislation. I suspect that it might actually interfere with justice by adding an unnecessary element to a case.

24 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:36

None of this is actually happening.

25 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 03:43

In my view hate crime laws are poorly conceived and unnecessary in any case but at least they're being consistent here in charging the black perpetrators.

26 Name: Anonymous : 2017-01-07 04:06

Trump's AG will file Federal charges too - believe me.