http://nationalsecuritylawbrief.com/supreme-courts-approves-change-to-rule-41-search-and-seizure-warrants-for-electronic-property/

Aside from tracking criminals, they can now hack or search the computer of ANYONE using Tor like services or VPN's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_state

Aside from tracking criminals, they can now hack or search the computer of ANYONE using Tor like services or VPN's.

Not without a warrant, reasonable suspicion and probable cause.

reasonable suspicion and probable cause

^ translations: fck ur warrant

US has been a police state for a long time after a little thing called the patriot act

>>3
Yep. Look no further at the unholy shitstorm of a debacle that is Standing Rock.

US has been a police state for a long time after a little thing called the patriot act

We're aware of the creeping socialism, but to use the term "police state" (albeit the word tyranny) is essentially hyperbolic. Overall the United States have the least oppressive regime in the world. Amendment IV is hardly the only provision of the Bill of Rights, Article I Section IX or otherwise to be watered down. All of them have experienced a dip, except for maybe Amendment VIII. Meanwhile the "necessary and proper" clause has been twisted and excruciatingly beefed up.

More people are put in prison in the US then the Soviet Union during the height of the use of GULAG.

>>6
They lost their freedom for either committing felonies or confessing to such in plea bargains, but either way they were duly convicted. The people who have not committed crimes are freer as a result.

Yeah but Russia has no blacks so it's skewed AF :3.

Not without a warrant, reasonable suspicion and probable cause.

According to Rule 41, the only probable cause they need is a computer “concealed through technological means.” IE through the use of Tor like clients or VPN's. It's a blanket warrant here. This will help them track people doing things illegally, but this also will let them track anyone on Freedom websites.

And there is no way they won't use this to track every single person they possible can, regardless of whether they're doing something illegal.

According to Rule 41, the only probable cause they need is a computer “concealed through technological means.”

But a computer being concealed through technological means isn't crime, nor is it an indication of a known crime being associated with a given concealed computer. If law enforcement brakes into a person's host without a probable cause and reasonable suspicion, and is caught doing so, then law enforcement will have committed crime. The person can press charges or file suit, and if necessary (like trying to press charges against the feds), expose the relevant law enforcement organization in the press.

then law enforcement will have committed crime.

That's why I'm saying this is turning them into a police state. With a signed warrant under Rule 41, they can legally monitor or hack into a computer. The only requirements needing to be met in order to get such a warrant is "concealed through technological means". That's IT. Whether you're committing a crime or not, whether they have proof of a crime or not, it's not relevant. All they need to know is that you use Tor like services or VPN's and they have the legal right to hack you or monitor you.

All they need to know is that you use Tor like services or VPN's and they have the legal right to hack you or monitor you.

It still needs to be tested in court and the press, as this Rule 41 sounds like pure obiter dictum. Breaking into computers out of pure curiosity is just inviting trouble. (Unlike breaking into a house, there is no risk of being shot or devoured by a dog, though.) People will have to resort to setting up decoys, but sadly only criminals (or the Army, or the Navy, or the Agency) would really be pioneers of such mechanisms. It would seem that only military organizations and their assets in one nation or another are beyond the reach of law enforcement agencies, simply by virtue of "firepower", cyber of otherwise. The Central Intelligence Agency is so badass, it can plant bugs in the offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and get away with it, something that could easily make the feds jealous.

Breaking into computers out of pure curiosity is just inviting trouble.

Irrelevant, they're allowed to, so they will.

It's like warantless wiretaps all over again. It was legal, so the government tapped pretty much every phone. You give the government a power, and they WILL abuse it. There's no "there only going to use this to spy on terrorists, or pedophiles". They're going to use this to spy on everyone that hides their computer. Which means a lot of anti-govermnent people. And I'm willing to bet THAT was why the Rule was passed. The government doesn't care about pedo's, they're more interested in the people who leak government information.

Granted this one needs a warrant, but it's an easy one to get. The judge mearly needs to know the computer has been blocked by technological means and they can sign off on the warrant. And if a judge in say Los Angeles doesn't want to sign off on it, then they can go to a judge in Houston. They can judge hop to find one more amenable to their cause.

Very strange.

Step aside gulags, military crackdowns, and execution by AA guns, teh fckin USA givin you a run for your money by searching your property with a warrant....

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... that needs no proof or any evidence of a crime. Simply a person concealing their computer through electronic means.

They need a judge to sign off on this warrant, and some judges won't. But since this would be a federal law, they can district shop to find a judge who will sign off on it, even if that judge is no where near the area in which the computer they want info on is located.

Oh no maybe they'll check my posting history and see that I called you a fgt. I watch a lot of titty fuck porn too. Like, a lot :/.

In a worst case scenario, they'd sit by and watch other hackers steal your identity, until they felt the time is right to act. Or they'd just monitor your tax indiscretions.

Keep in mind England has already arrested two people for just that... calling someone a fgt via Twitter. To think that nanny states cannot happen to us is wrong.

Also EVERYONE has something to hide, something they want to keep private.

England's justice system is even more fucked up than ours. I read about a case where two teenager murderers that killed three people in cold blood got like 5 years in prison while the adult that hurt no one and helped them cover it up got 30 years.

Limeys are fucking stupid.

The only thing I'd be worried about them finding would be the music and the odd game I've pirated. I download TV shows too, but I don't see this as stealing since I pay for HBO and Netflix but I hate MS Silverlight so I download them instead. Music's the biggy here, I haven't bought music in well over a decade.

But Canada seems to be a lot more lax on piracy than the US. The US probably cares more about piracy and protecting corporate interests than stopping child pornography. I would not be surprised if the money spent combating piracy was at least twice that of combating pedos.

I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they start handing out fines to people who've downloaded copyrighted materials, or watched a copyrighted vid, etc.

It seems like it takes more resources than its worth to charge random people who download stuff. You do see the odd "public execution" every now and then, where they charge some guy 10 trillion dollhairs and sentence him to 5 millennia in exile on a barren planet, but I feel like the harsh punishment is indicative of the lack of effectiveness in enforcement in a lot of these kinds of cases.

Maybe if they develop Skynet and it can just run searches through everyone's sh!t, automatically dispensing insta-tickets every time it catches something illegal, but with the current system I don't think you have much to worry about. Just don't be that one guy lol.

I'm sure it will get to the point when they see your IP has downloaded something copyrighted, they'll fine you automatically. Kind of like how they send a ticket to your house if you get caught in red light / speeding cameras.

And I know they can tell because I was talking to my cousin in the US and told him to get Westworld, he downloaded the first episode and got an e-mail from his ISP telling him not to do it again.

I cannot see it being a prison sentence, but an auto-fine is something they can easily do. At that point a VPN would be nice.. but then there is a problem with that because... see topic.

Shit dude. Guess all that's left to do is follow the law

Screw that, Copyright has been perverted by the corporations anyway. You know copyright used to only be 7 years? Now it's the life of the creator + 75 years or some such nonsense.

I ain't going back to paying for music.

I'm sure the left is weeping with joy. The more rights they have suppressed and the more freedoms they have taken away will make them very content.

They'll ignore it until Obama's out of office and Trump is in office. Then there will be riots everywhere.

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Just like the conservatives did with the deficit until GW Bush left office...

They just passed the grief the next president like that trillion dollar+ war didn't happen.

Yeah, I agree. Everyone blamed Obama for the trillion dollar deficit in 2009 but Bush approved it. He's responsible for the deficit being $1 trillion and leaving Obama with a whole bunch of problems when Obama entered office yet day one people blamed Obama for those problems.

I blame both though for increasing the national debt. For all the good Obama did, he the national debt increased trillions under him as it did Bush.

Hell, even the bank bailouts Bush started and Obama continued but it seems people only blame Bush for that.

I'm probably one of the few that saw the bailouts as a good thing.

Imagine if all those banks and the auto industry failed like they were about to in 07-08.

The job losses would have been comparable to a depression. That was probably the smartest thing Geroge Bush did while in office since at least it set up the econemy for a quick recovery.

There's probably a reason for that, lol.

Here's the problem with bailouts and the stimulus spending that continued after it (but wasn't really paid attention to by the gen public because it wasn't neatly wrapped in a big package that said "GOVERNMENT BAILOUT MONEY" like the 800 billion or whatever it was package): they create what appears to be, like you said, a "quick", stable recovery, but it's just another bubble. Some economists estimate that the stock market is overvalued by up to 80%. That's p. fcking ridiculous dude.

So sure, in the interim it looks like a catastrophic collapse was avoided and we're actually doing p. well (think the S&P hit a new record the other day), but we're just setting ourselves up for another big crash, once this bubble breaks. Nobody is sure what the cause will be this time, but most people recognize the signs of an overvalued bull market these days, and know a recession is coming.

Now your doomsday depression scenario would have sucked hard AF in the short term, maybe some of us would be fckin ded, but that kind of a reset would actually bring the economy back down to a level that's manageable based on the real, intrinsic value of the market. The recovery would be slower and sh!ttier, but it would be RAEL. The current Keynesian system just jumps from bubble to bubble, recession to recession, making everyone feel good during the bull markets but then they get hammered down time and time again during the recessions. Why don't we just have one really, really big, sh!tty recession, and then build an economy back that has substance? The current strategies are just like the guy who borrows to pay off other credit. The sh!t doesn't work in the long term. We need short term pain for long term gain.

The reason this bubble will pop will be because Trump will likely switch to trickle down economics(i.e. cutting taxes for the 1% and pray that they use it to create jobs) which sinks the economy time and time again.

And I don't think those companies failing would have helped because something just as big coming up to take its place is hardly guaranteed. We've seen that manufacturing has all but left the US, so if the auto industry failed, whose to say that Americans wouldn't have just switched buying foreign cars instead.

The reason this bubble will pop will be because Trump will likely switch to trickle down economics(i.e. cutting taxes for the 1% and pray that they use it to create jobs) which sinks the economy time and time again.

Lmao dude this economy was doomed to fail a long time ago. This stupidity here is actually one of the reasons I kind of wish Clinton had won, because there's gonna be a recession no matter who got in, but whoever is sitting in the whitehouse is going to have to shoulder the blame for something that's inevitable. Economists and even Trump himself have been calling this for a long time now, Trump's policies will have little overall influence.

And I don't think those companies failing would have helped because something just as big coming up to take its place is hardly guaranteed.>

That's the whole point. If the biggest industries are propped up on stimulus, then they shouldn't be there anymore. Well, they're not going to be there anymore, one day. The whole idea of short term pain, long term gain is to suffer heavy losses in the interim so that when the recovery happens, whatever is built is actually sustainable. This could be smaller but it would still be better. Think like the difference between taking a loan out that you'll never be able to repay in order to buy a Ferrari vs paying cash for a Honda Civic. Of course everyone would prefer a Ferrari, but it's more responsible to opt for something sustainable, even if it's worse.

So I keep hearing.

So what.

You're just posting this cause you torrent every game you play you cheap bastard.

Hail lord trump

Can't wait to see my tax dollars go towards the USA barging into someone's home, searching their computer to find the porn (not illegal porn that is) that said person is just too ashamed to admit they watch.

I highly doubt it will come to that. Hell I doubt they even did it to catch people with illegal porn. I'm guessing this is to keep an eye on anti-goverment people.

they use porn against people all the time. even if it's normal vanilla porn people think that person is worse then pedophile hitler.