Hey /newpol/
UK fag here, the general election is in a few weeks and this'll be my first time voting. Could anybody explain to me the pros and cons of each party and their established policies/promises?

Obviously i'll be researching aswell but I thought it'd be good to get the opinions of the masses rather than what the media is force feeding everybody

tldr UK politics, what's what

Also I can't be arsed with /pol/ or /bijou/, it'll probably just be Troies everywhere.

>>1-2

labour borrows money and lets immigrants in crippling the country. tories have to be the bad guy and make spending cuts. so everyone votes labour again. but tories wont give us vote on eu membership and isn't doing much about immigration. ukip would but properly doesn't know how to run the country properly.

tl;dr. it'll be best to leave or an hero

>>3

won't give a vote on EU menbership

that's probably one of their better promises to be honest

Read the policies of the various parties and see which party suits you best. Simple mate.

>>1
different ways of looking at how to govern

Tory : business and trade, they in turn look after the people, they look at governing like a business.

Labour : they want everyone to like them and try to make everyone happy, this always fucks up and you run out of money fast.

>>1
Conservatives want to preserve the status quo and aim to do so by enacting policies which benefit those with wealth at the expense of those without it. As those with power and wealth tend to have the most influence (in media etc.) the general public is givem the image of conservatives being fiscally responsible and making tough but necessary choices, when in fact they are simply protecting the financial elite (the people who fund the conservative party) at the expense of everyone else.

Labour wants to preserve the status quo and aim to do so by enacting policies which will appeal to those without wealth by appearing to even the odds and give everyone a fair chance. But in reality labour no longer looks out for the interests of the working classes and instead enacts policies that benefit big / mid level businesses (the people who fund the labiur party).

>>6
Conservatives rely on corporations and free market capitalism being nice and not fucking everyone over. Where as labour believe it's a government's duty to force corporations to obey rules that prevent them from fucking everyone over.

>>7
This

Just vote for some sort of joke/minor candidate/party that seems best

If there are no good ones,then just abstain from voting
Better one does not endorse this screwed up first past the post voting system,or current system

>>3
Whilst there is no real evidence to outright say the immigrants cripple the country they do put immense pressure on the NHS and housing capabilities (lots of slums/council house areas being overcroweded) and there not being enough facilities (schools for example).However, its been found that they have helped economy and also take the 'lower' jobs chavs believe they are 'too good' to do, despite having less than 1 GCSE.

TL;DR, immigrants are a grey area

>>9
Any other Americans here, listen to this guy.

No, wait, fuck that. ANYONE WHO LIVES IN A DEMOCRACY, LISTEN TO THIS GUY.

>>10
This. While immigration is undoubtedly good for a country's economy, it can have an undesirable social impact. However, the main burden the NHS faces is caused by cuts in funding and the deliberate top-down restructuring orchestrated by the Conservatives, the aim of this restructuring is not to make the NHS run more efficiently but to make it run more cheaply, even if that means sacrificing standards of care.

>>11-12
Not voting in a democratic country is akin to saying "My car has broken down, so I'll remove the engine, and see if it works then."

If you do not vote, you must abstain from bitching about the government until such time that you do.

>>13
But the voting system is flawed
Hence one must express his discontent

Would voting in a big party do that?
Of course not.

To express ones dissatisfaction with the voting system,one must boycott the vote,or,alternatively,vote for a joke candidate or one very unlikely to win.

How would you suggest expressing your dissatisfaction,if not by these methods?

>>1
Labour: full of overprivlidged millionaire fuckers who've never worked a day in their lives and are corrupt as fuck.
Cons: full of overprivlidged millionaire fuckers who've never worked a day in their lives and are corrupt as fuck.
Lib Dems: Never gonna get in so fuck it
UKIP: racist bastards but might just shake up the system
Everyone else: Don't stand a whelk's chance in a supernova of getting in.

I, however, am gonna stay in my nice warm house and let everyone else waste their time validating a system that by definition doesn't work. I've said it before and i'll say it again - democracy just doesn't work.

Because most people are under the illusion that spoiled ballots are not tallied in elections. They are, and the number often features in non-direct Parliamentary duties such as oversight committees, election boundary re-draws, constituency weightings, Privy Council discussions, referendum weightings, and feature heavily in think tank and unions' data.

Furthermore, we're fucking adults. Part of being an adult is understanding life is full of compromise. You're not going to get everything you want, and in politics you're never going to find candidates or parties that deliver everything you want. You have to vote on a compromise basis and then use that voter base (again, that's where spoiled ballots come in) to apply pressure to the parties and representatives that most accurately reflect your views and objectives.

mfw Generation 'Y'ers are spoiled grown up children who either want everything they ask for without fail or compromise, or throw their toys out the pram and won't play.

>>12
The conservatives had to make cuts because labour spent all the money on the nhs leaving it in massive debt.
Only ukip will put the nhs right.

>>1
Gordon Brown didn't sell off ALL the UK's gold reserve, we still have a gold reserve; he simply converted part of our gold into our Dollar reserve.

Stop reading the Daily Mail shit for brains.

>>15

ukip want a free trade agreement with the two billion people of the commonwealth

ukip want a sensible immigration policy so we can choose the best and brightest to come here and to be able to deport criminals

ukip want to put the people who live here regardless of skin colour first
their racist!

>>15

ukip want a free trade agreement with the two billion people of the commonwealth

ukip want a sensible immigration policy so we can choose the best and brightest to come here and to be able to deport criminals

ukip want to put the people who live here regardless of skin colour first
their racist!

People who vote are perfectly within their rights. I just think they are fucking retarded. If yoi want real change you don't vote because the system itself needs fixed and that won't happen if parties get elected. You think they would allow a party power if less than 40% of Britain voted?

>>1,14,15
OK then, don't vote. Be laissez faire and let generation 'Daily Mail' cast the entire ballot again.

Just because you abstain doesn't mean fuck all will result from that directly, certainly not in the voting system.

The only thing that happens when you don't vote, even when you choose not to spoil your ballot, is that 'The Daily Mail' may as well have counsel with the Queen to handpick a government.

Because as we all know, the best people to make decisions for our nation in this difficult and rapidly changing future are demented, old, bitter, tight-fisted cunts who so thoroughly shafted our generation then blame us for said shafting, and haven't left the house in five years because they youth are dangerous sociopaths.

Vive le Blue Rinse Revolution!

>>17
Farage is an ex stockbroker. He is a part of the group of people that ruined and indebted this country and turned a profit from doing so. Why do you think voting for a member of the establishment is likely to result in antiestablishment policies?

Most likely outcome is that Labor will win power with the aid of SNP. I doubt UKIP and Conservatives would work toether but you never know

>>12
Lets get an immigrant with hiv opinions on health tourism.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/04/farages-remarks-on-health-tourism-are-very-offensive-explains-hiv-infected-health-tourist/

>>23

muh bankers

Ok settle down russel brand.

>>14
It's tricky because the whole system is built on maintaining the status quo, the big 3 parties want it to continue like this. We all know it's unfair, heck look at how many people voted last election and then the people who actually voted for the governing party. The only say we ever have and any democratic engagement is the elections. Us plebs aren't fit to engage in any other way according to them.

>>27

But people who vote green ARE immature and stupid.

People who buy into the "UKIP are far right" agenda are ignorant.

Deal with it

83% of statistics are made up to prove a point

Literally anything is better than the inevitable Labour-SNP coalition

I voted Labour for the last couple of elections but I 100% will not be this year because of it