USA today is capitalism in it's final stage.

The USA is a completely desolidarized society. The rich have shut themselves off in special neighbourhoods with security guards and gates with access codes, they have their own universities, hospitals, schools, kindergartens.

The middle class got completely dissolved in the last crisis, you pretty much need two jobs to support a decent life.. after the third eight hours job you at least don't need a flat anymore which saves a lot of money, which is neat.

The lower third is completely in the shit, they are either homeless or living in neighbourhoods where the police don't have the courage to show up in anymore.
The only socio-political measurement is to lock you away.

In the USA more people are incarnated in prison per 100 000 persons than in any other country on earth. More than in china and in North Korea.
Which again is neat cause you an privatize prisons and make real big money this way.

But despite so many people being in prison, the main cause of death for a young american is being murdered. Every year over 30'000 Americans die being shot on the open street. That's over eighty every day. 80 deaths a day, in other countries like Iraq that is called civil war.

It's also civil war in the USA, capitalism in it's final stage is civil war, but the poor aren't fighting the rich, but the poor are shooting each other to death, on top of that with weapons the rich sold them. Kinda like we do with Africa too.

This is capitalism. Divide and conquer.

95% of all media in the USA is in the hand for 5 really rich families, they have perfected the way of division and fucked merritards minds so much, they even reject politicians who actually want to give them healthcare insurance.

The rest of Europe is driving straight towards the same cliff, the USA already went over.
Discuss.

>>1 You forgot 9 out of 10 congressional elections are and the presidential election are decided by money. In America, wealth is power, not only in the private domain, but in government as well.

People with little wealth are forced to sell themselves to those with higher amounts of wealth. This is known as employment. The employers use the labor of the worker to create products or services. They then sell these products, pay the employee a wage, and pocket the rest of the wealth created by the employee as profit.

The United States, with 5% of the world's population houses 25% of the world's prisoners. The job of police officers, Law Enforcement, is to enforce the law. As I covered earlier, the rich write the laws. The police is an institution that acts as a mercenary apparatus for state power. They protect the rich from the poor.

fucking commies, you aren't gonna take our freedom away

>>4
For example, Adam Smith said “Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.” Jame Madison, father of the constitution put it a different way: "Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority."

our technological and agricultural state, the abundance of resource and creation at our disposal, readily allows for a largely capitalist society, given certain municipal provisions and scaling taxation to cover these provisions, with the spirit of capitalism embodied by those who wish to have more than their mean way of life (have a better house, better car, better _stuff_ that must be traded for more _money_)

but there is no reason for poverty, starvation, or homelessness in our world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

I don't know how we get from where we are to "there", or even if this is the right "there", but it looks like a decent goal to me

The rich have shut themselves off in special neighborhoods with security guards and gates with access codes, they have their own universities, hospitals, schools, kindergartens.

this is literally the same in EVERY type of government. Guess where the politicians and business owners live at in a communist/socialist government? At least the capitalists straight up tell you that "nigga u poor pls go" instead of "we are all the same it just happens to be that i have extra legal rights and live in a 700k house when the average person can't afford a 50k house"

The middle class got completely dissolved in the last crisis, you pretty much need two jobs to support a decent life.. after the third eight hours job you at least don't need a flat anymore which saves a lot of money, which is neat.

Yeah, if you were a psychology major or someone who wasn't smart with money. I have two parents who barely can speak English. Guess what they did when the market crashed in 08? They walked it off and decided to WORK, not complain. Although they aren't rich, they are living in comfort right now. They are also over 60, so if your 18 year old ass can't start all over and find a new way like my parents then you should go and live in a communist nation to get spoonfed by the elite.

Nope, bro. What do you say can be applied to almost every decade since war.

Despite I, as european, hate certain aspects of the U.S. arrogance (like the NSA in the front), it still kick ass, and its economy is getting better.

United States have changed in the last 50 years, but it STILL somewhat was able to keep its power and opportunities. It was good in a certain way. Now it is different - but still good. Differently. But it is working.

And rest of the world has still the same troubles.. as before.

In the other words - times have changed. But the greater picture still did not.

>>7

You do realize that you are basically describing socialism, right?

Do you know why there is poverty, starvation, and homelessness in our world?

It's all because 95% of them were lazy fucks or socially retarded people who couldn't pick up a 50k chance if it was handed to them. I do admit that some (like mentally/physically ill people) cannot help it. But excluding these extraneous situations, why do you expect a guy who didn't do work in school or in the work field get the same benefits as a dude who spent 8 hours a day for 4-12 years studying for a college degree that matters? Or over a guy who went into the work force after high school and worked his way up?

“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” John Steinbeck

>>10
what I'm saying is that the only thing that should be provided universally, unconditionally, is the basic means of survival and social access; our resources do in fact allow for that

but for anything, and I mean anything more, you would still have to bust your ass in school and getting a real job

and if the economy takes a turn or your life fucks up somehow? you can still fall back on that basic income and make ends meet till you work something else out

pure socialism robs people of the right to work hard and achieve, and I don't condone that

these good sides don't have to be mutually exclusive is what I'm saying

>>1 This isn't capitalism, it's a mix of corporatism and the welfare state. But yeah, the US is getting more fucked every year with the social politics

desolidarized society

yeah sure

just look at how much feminists care about equality and fairness, and the power they have

or the fact that there are even laws to protect teenagers from having sex with someone that is a bit older and regretting it later which may hurt their morale, because our society is so perfect we dont know what to improve

or the fact that the government is socialist because people actually votes for solidarity

all the anti racism and the tolerance with homosexuals etc

how is that desolidarized or not empathic?

fuck yeah let the rich be rich,

middle class just be chillin,

let the dirty stinky niggers and beta poor fags kill each other, their doing us a favor

I warn you, young americans. By your boredom, you have become distrustfull of your system and your ways - that is natural and OK. There has to be a control voice, allways. American politics were allways like the flame - great tool, but a bad master, if left too free.

But do not, in your hate, look blindly to other systems and things you do not understand as if they would solve your problems.

Greater, more advanced system can be only deserved and naturally achieved - not imposed. Try to be a better individuals. Better individuals will form a better society, and better society will have better politics.

In that order - not the other way around.

Says the /newpol/tard living with his parents.

this is literally the same in EVERY type of government.

Does not make it ok. In America, so we are taught, everyone should be afforded the same opportunity.

& yeah some of the middle class got destroyed and some didn't, but it's not an either or argument but rather one of trends and direction. Where are we headed? Is the economy getting better or worse? For whom? Are the most people benefiting? Those are the questions that need addressing.

True capitalism is crony capitalism. Crony capitalism is the practical application of capitalist theory. State power and private power evolved together synergistically. They are inseparable.

Real capitalists- the wealthy, the corporations, do not have a problem with Crony Capitalism. In fact they love it.

"Big capital will support tax-lowering measures, of course, but it does not need to piss and moan about taxes with the tedious relentlessness of the libertarian. Big capital, with its ranks of accountant-Houdinis, just gets on with not paying it. And why hate a state that pays so well? Big capital is big, after all, not only because of the generous contracts its state obligingly hands it, but because of the gun-ships with which its state opens up markets for it.

Libertarianism, by contrast, is a theory of those who find it hard to avoid their taxes, who are too small, incompetent or insufficiently connected to win Iraq-reconstruction contracts, or otherwise chow at the state trough. In its maundering about a mythical ideal-type capitalism, libertarianism betrays its fear of actually existing capitalism, at which it cannot quite succeed. It is a philosophy of capitalist inadequacy."

USA today is capitalism in it's final stage.

Teleological accounts of history are inherently flawed. Society doesn't evolve in a particular direction it adapts to stimuli and moves according to the will of those who govern and to a lesser degree those who are governed.

The United States is a capitalist society where cronyism between the government and lobbyists has created a set of laws that suppress the lower and middle class and destroy free market competition within the capitalist economy. The end result is that the wealth of the nation is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands as the largest corporations buy everyone out.

Its a symptom of corruption not an inherent flaw in capitalism.

But despite so many people being in prison, the main cause of death for a young american is being murdered.

You were doing well till you spouted this inane shit. The violent crime rate in England is actually about 30% higher than it is in the United States. In the inner city ghettos crime and murder are a significant factor, in the rest of the country not so much. Next time you give this spiel cut this bit out.

they even reject politicians who actually want to give them healthcare insurance.

Again you're spouting your mouth off about shit you know nothing about. Obamacare doesn't give us anything, it forces us to buy insurance, and puts more regulations on the insurance industry; but it does nothing to drive down healthcare costs. Its just another bureaucracy.

The rest of europe is driving straight towards the same cliff, the USA already went over.

Seems that way, just don't focus all your wrath on the mean nasty corporations. You can't trust the government either.

There are a great many things inherently wrong with money. the first is that it's not even real.

Property is real, money is ultimately just an abstract means of representing property so it can be used as a common medium of exchange.

The problem with society isn't money its something more fundamental, its power.

In a capitalist society money is power and power concentrated into the hands of the elite allows them to control the rest of the society.

In a communist society (a real one, not a slave plantation like China) political power is concentrated into the hands of the party elite and it allows them to control the rest of society.

Concentration of power into the hands of the few is the problem, not the form that power takes.

>>1 US and EU will never collapse. They should've long ago, but they're globalistic these days.

Places like Russia are still imperialistic. Power is centralized and once the head expires, every connected branch comes down like a house of cards. In "the west", i.e. 80% of Earth at this point, power is decentralized. Defunct agencies are taken out of the equation on a conveyor belt and civil discontent keeps society amorphous.

It's going to change for sure, but it'll stick around and bounce back up with part of this disheveled mesh of institutions swapped out for replacements.

I think what you are trying to say is: mankind is inherently self-destructive and we're on the brink, in which case I'd agree, but I wouldn't judge this to be uniquely American

meh.