Romulans are superior to Vulcans

1 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-01 10:10
I heard /secert lounge/ will argue anything so I'm here to argue that Romulans are superior to Vulcans.
2 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-01 23:24
I love this topic. Vulcans supress all their emotions, but Romulans don't need to; they don't get overwhelmed by their emotions like Vulcans do.

I'm with you, OP.
3 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-02 01:11
please give evidence to support your claim OP
4 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-02 21:21
Romulans are assholes though.
Vulcans are said to suppress their emotions but we've seen that they fail at that. That's fine.
But what do Romulans do? They hate on everyone and everything. They'll fucking blow up their own people if it meant fucking over one guy.

Romulans are assholes.
5 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-03 14:14
I'd also like to add that Romulans continued to expand their empire while the Vulcans sat around suppressing emotions. So in a war, my money is on the Romulans.
6 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-03 19:33
Exactly why their superior. Romulans know how to get shit done. Vulcans will just sit around and think about it for weeks.
7 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-03 23:11
That may be. But Romulans are in the business of dirty business.
They screw over anyone dumb enough to engage them, which I suppose would be a plus in their favor. However, they will screw over even their own allies.
They don't care about anyone. They hardly care about themselves if they're so willing to kill off their own men.

I'd also bring up racism but fuck that. Who isn't a racist?
8 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-04 05:15
You haven't played Star Trek Online have you? They get their shit together after Romulus goes the way of William Shatner's career. The sensible ones rebel against the Talk Shiar and form the Romulan Republic. Which still doesn't take shit from no one.
9 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-04 13:26
Which still doesn't take shit from no one.

Which is all fine and dandy to a point.

They're stubborn to a fault. They only expand on their own strengths, which sounds fine up until they start blowing up their own ship to screw over someone else.

It would make more sense to agree to help from someone else and use THEM to your advantage.
10 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-04 19:09
That's what they did during the Dominion Wars. They just used the Federation and the Klingons to their advantage.
11 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-05 02:27
Huh. They're still assholes.

But at least they're not Vulcan. Who the hell would genuinely support those guys?
12 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-05 14:33
Can't argue they are assholes. The Republic fixes most of their shit but its obvious they still have a ways to go.

Honestly, the only way to fix both species would be to bring the best attributes of both and bring them back together. But then you'd lietterally just have humans.
13 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-05 20:12
Romulan have or had a vast empire and all the Vulcans have is Vulcan
14 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-06 15:56
What about the Remans?
15 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-07 10:19
Let's also not forget about their scattered colonies and research stations that were invaded by the Andorians right before the Federation was founded.
16 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-07 23:59
Remans are pretty much just scaly Romulans.
17 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-09 14:28
Aren't they more prone to fits of anger? Not too mention they aren't as advanced.. given, you know, mine life and all.
Yet somehow they've managed to make a ship. Somehow. Because plot.
18 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-10 23:28
Weren't they enslaved by the Romulans at some point? That's probably how they got ships.
19 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-11 09:12
Yeah, they're considered the lowest caste in the entire Romulan culture. They're ugly, emotional, etc etc. So they threw them into the mines.
20 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-12 19:29
Well until Romulus and Remus are blown into the Q Dimension.
21 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-13 21:12
I forget... What was the deal again with Whoopie? Her race of people?
22 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-14 10:30
Scattered colonies does not equal a vast empire
23 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-16 23:21
That was my point. They have no empire. If it weren't for the Federation, they'd probably have been blasted back to the bronze age by the Cardassians.
24 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-17 06:17
It gets covered in Star Trek: Generations.

They come from a little pocket dimension where wishes really do come true and everything is just super.
25 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-17 12:37
They were telepaths but I couldn't tell you what was significant about her race other than that.
26 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-17 16:11
Her race of people?

They used to be slaves and have a fondness for fried chicken and watermelon.
27 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-17 22:12
I thought they lived for millions of years and just.... watched people? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I remember an episode or two where Data was thrown back in time and found Guinan chatting with Mark Twain or something...
28 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-18 10:32
This is Star Trek faggot, we're past that shit.
29 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-19 16:36
The show went a bit Quantum Leap during the Next Generation.
30 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-20 09:56
The El Aurians are not from the Nexus. They are from El Auria which was destroyed by the Borg. They just had knowledge of the Nexus
31 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-21 00:03
People like you are the reason we are going to have Idoicracy instead of Star Trek
32 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-22 16:14
They live a really long time, I don't think its millions of years, more like hundreds maybe thousands.

There's one episode where Q hints that Guinan is magic or some shit; but it gets dropped and never mentioned again so I wouldn't consider it canon.

They didn't come from there, Guinan's ship just got stuck there.

Their planet got clusterfucked by the Borg and they became refugees all over the galaxy.

They called them listeners not watchers because people seem to have a tendency to trust them (telepathy maybe) and some of them use it to swindle like pic related on DS9.
33 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-22 19:37
El Auria which was destroyed by the Borg.

Okay, how. I was under the impression that these guys, the El Auria, were a sort of compliment to the Q Continuum. Clearly I'm horrifyingly wrong.
34 Name: SuperFratBoyExtreme : 2014-02-22 23:22
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35 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-23 03:40
The El Aurians are powerful in the sense they have consciousness that can supersede the space/time continuum but they don't have any powers like the Q. They are just super-aware
36 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-23 13:11
Like I said there's one episode (the one where they first run into the Borg) where Q hints that Guinan is magic and Guinan holds up her hands like she's going to shoot lightning bolts at him or some shit and its weird. Which is why it never gets mentioned again like a lot of stuff in Star Trek which seemed like a good idea to the writers at the time.
37 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-23 21:55
Sorry you aren't enjoying the ride.

Here have some poetry.

An Ode to Spot...

Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature,
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature;
Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses
Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.

I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations,
A singular development of cat communications
That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection.

A tail is quite essential for your acrobatic talents;
You would not be so agile if you lacked its counterbalance.
And when not being utilized to aid in locomotion,
It often serves to illustrate the state of your emotion.

O Spot, the complex levels of behavior you display
Connote a fairly well-developed cognitive array.
And though you are not sentient and do not comprehend,
I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.
38 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-24 13:22
Unlike this, which is why I was convinced that Guinan's race were all powerful and stuff.

The Q Continuum was powerful and would interfere with the other races whereas Guinan's race, the El Aurian, were equally (if not more) powerful but would not interfere with the other races.
39 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-24 22:44
equally (if not more) powerful but would not interfere with the other races.

I think it's more they are omniscient (or close to) but not omnipotent. Otherwise they'd be fine vs. borg and they'd all just live in the nexus by will alone
40 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 07:17
Guinan has show that she is aware of alternative timelines. That is how powerful her race is.
41 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 11:22
Nah dude, they definitely aren't omnipotent.

Like I posted earlier....

In DS9 it shows one of them scheming and opening a casino to compete with Quark.

Their only real power is that people have a subconscious desire to confide in them.
42 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 17:45
You have to remember that the Romulans routinely spank the Klingons too. Kept a whole colony of them hostage
43 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 18:34
And we don't even need to mention the Federation spanking durring the first Romulan-Federation War.

so basically
Romulans = rome in space
Klingons = samurai in space
44 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 20:43
And the Vulcans are the Greeks
45 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-25 23:12
Ferengi are Jews
Bajorans are what Jews wish they were.
Cardassians are North Korea
The Dominion is the United States
And the Federation is United Kingdom, Gene Rodenberry's authoritarian wet dream.
46 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-26 03:56
Authoritarian? I wouldn't call the Federation authoritarian. They express more libertarian leanings than anything else.
47 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-26 10:48
They express more libertarian leanings than anything else.

No way dude.

There's no money, no private property, the state controls everything, and government tests determine you're place in a society that claims to care about your culture but ultimately homogenizes you to its ideals.

Its the most benign and insidious tyranny ever devised in fiction, so insidious that even Rodenberry didn't realize what he was creating.

Clip extremely related.
48 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-26 15:29
Have you actually seen the show? The Federation acts as little more than a diplomatic, military, and economic pact between the member states. All local governance is left up to the individual species as long as they pledge their forces to the collective states of the Federation.
49 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-26 19:14
All local governance is left up to the individual species as long as they pledge their forces to the collective states of the Federation.

Or unless they decide to give your entire planet to another space empire.

Sure they'll let you have your harmless little cultural traditions; but do you ever see anyone raise serious questions about property rights or the legitimacy of the prime directive or anything else that isn't on board with the Federation program?

You join and you become one of them. They're like the Borg, just more subtle.
50 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-26 23:50
You got it wrong.
The Cardassians are Cold War USA
The Dominion is North Korea or maybe China because the Dominion was reclusive
51 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-27 02:22
When you join an ecomomic and military pact you aren't going to go around joining other empires. A member state of the Federation isn't going to go pitch in with the Klingons, that's just retarded. And what the fuck are you talking about property rights? That isn't an issue in the Star Trek universe. Half the galaxy isn't even charted yet, why the hell would they restrict property rights?
52 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-27 12:51
The Dominion is North Korea or maybe China because the Dominion was reclusive

Their leaders are reclusive; but I'd say trying to conquer and control everything you encounter is pretty damned active.
53 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-27 23:00
That's a bit more pre-American British Empire. No one really knew that much about them but they were fucking everywhere.
54 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-28 11:52
So you're saying you forgot about the Federation giving the planets that the Maquis lived on to the Cardassians and then telling everyone to pack up and leave or submit to Cardassian authority?

I'd say the state taking your entire planet is a property rights issue.

And what the fuck are you talking about property rights?

They don't have money. What do you think that means? You don't own anything other than what your are allowed to have by the Federation.
55 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 04:41
Their imperialists in general. Which one they most closely resemble is up for debate.
56 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 10:21
The Cardassians are Orwellian as fuck and they instill in their people a very strong concept of obedience to the state above all else.

As far as real societies go, I'd say North Korea is the closest analogy.
57 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 15:53
Vulcans obtained superior brains through and evolutionary divergence as a result of suppressing their emotions.

Romulans are very stupid in comparison.
58 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 19:33
We already covered that shit and it has been shown that the Romulan's ruthlessness has given them the advantage over the Vulcans, the Federation and even the Klingons.
59 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 20:34
it has been shown that the Romulan's ruthlessness

no it hasn't.
60 Name: Anonymous : 2014-02-29 23:59
Earth was lucky to have the Vulcans initiate First Contact. Pretty much any other race would have just colonized the place.